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wheezie wayne



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PostSubject: worthy of breeding   Thu Dec 13, 2007 3:05 pm

havent seen many topics posted latly so i thought i would give it a shot. what do you believe makes a APBT worthy of being bred?
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PostSubject: Re: worthy of breeding   Thu Dec 13, 2007 5:02 pm

a good quality dog with good temperment and bloodlines play an imporntant role. My first rule of breed is no HA dogs. Next I look for conformation. Then i look for personality. No need to look for DA dogs anymore because that has been outlawed but i do look for a confidenence. I look for a dog that learnes quick and is a well rounded dog. IMO this is what qualifeys dogs for breeding in my yard
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PostSubject: Re: worthy of breeding   Thu Dec 13, 2007 7:17 pm

what about drive. where inn the totom pole of qualities do you rank Drive? this is a working breed and i believe in function over form.
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PostSubject: Re: worthy of breeding   Thu Dec 13, 2007 9:18 pm

I look for a dog that learnes quick and is a well rounded dog

i belive this statement also reflects drive
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wheezie wayne



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PostSubject: Re: worthy of breeding   Thu Dec 13, 2007 9:20 pm

sorry i didint take it as that
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PostSubject: Re: worthy of breeding   Thu Dec 13, 2007 9:21 pm

Block heads, big chests.......Just kidding Twisted Evil
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PostSubject: Re: worthy of breeding   Thu Dec 13, 2007 9:37 pm

"want to"-----They gotta have the "want to" trait, they need to have the will to do what ever I want them to do with out cur'n out. I wont breed a dog that is nothing more than a pet, no matter what blood is behind him or how good it's conformation is. I dont care too much about how pretty the dog is so I dont concern my self with breeding a dog because it has great conformation. But before any of this....if a dog is HA, it eats a bullet if I dont think it can be "fixed". And yes, some dogs can be fixed if you catch it at an early age...but even then, that doesnt mean they'll be breed worthy.

But I dont breed to sale so my breedings are mainly done to build myself a "perfect" yard.

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wheezie wayne



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PostSubject: Re: worthy of breeding   Thu Dec 13, 2007 9:42 pm

i am a firm believer in titling a working dog before breeding, in some sort of competitive sport. this imo is the only wasy to truly see what the dog is made of
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PostSubject: breeding   Fri Dec 14, 2007 2:00 am

if you take the PIT out of the american PIT bull terrier then it is something else isnt it . so in order to breed an APBT were do you think your breeding qualities should come from. what you sedaliapitbulls just described was the amstaff .

i would never suggest that anyone fight there dogs thats just crazy in this day and time but call it what it is
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PostSubject: Re: worthy of breeding   Fri Dec 14, 2007 2:20 am

Not really trying to start anything here, well yes, maybe I am Smile I am so sick and tired of hearing people talk about "taking the pit of the APBT' and "calling it what it is." Ok tell me WTF is it. It is an American PIT Bull Terrier. Because I don't fight my dogs they are no longer APBTs, I think you are wrong. Whether it was legal or not I wouldn't do it, personal choice. But I absolutely admire and appreciate the history of this breed. Just because you look for a dog that is standard (conformation) does not mean it is an AmStaff, which I also have and by the way can be one of the most DA dogs I have. I have APBTs, AmStaff, bully type dogs and 'pit mixes', you can call my dogs pits, pitties, petbulls, curs, or mutts, I don't really care. But to say you can't call them "Pits" because it is no longer legal is just ludacris in my mind. Thanks for letting me rant. Have a nice day Wink
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PostSubject: Re: worthy of breeding   Fri Dec 14, 2007 2:25 am

with dog fighting being illegal the APBT has gone in another direction, i have no use for gamness in the sports that i work my dog in. the APBT should now be breed for extreme drive. i dont see how that is even close to a bobble headed show am staff? im really wondering where you came up with the notion that i was describing an amstaff? i talked of titling a dog in a competitive sport, not conformation. thanks for everyones opinions and replys.
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PostSubject: Re: worthy of breeding   Fri Dec 14, 2007 2:27 am

Maybe long winded BUT my point exactly wheezie, thank you Rolling Eyes
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PostSubject: Re: worthy of breeding   Fri Dec 14, 2007 4:51 am

i would tell you now its an insult ot call any of my dogs an amstaff. Well bread game bred dogs. Just because i dont fight my dogs dont mean they are not pit bulls. Ok now. That said. I like a dog to be in standard conformationally correct. That is one of the most imporantant parts of my breeding program.

Now i can also say this. YOu guys can go to jail for fighting your dogs as far as i care, but i,m not going to be the one to have my dogs killed over a sensless act. Not to mention animal control taking all your dogs away and klling them.

Now i would like to say you are taking me all rong. The dog needs drive of course but there is no point to have a DA dog because i do not fight my dogs. Of course I havehad many in my day most of my dogs are game bred. In fact i got a heavy bred Bolio/ rascal dog that when she turns on she is going to be a little fireball. Hell magyar if he ever turnes on he,ll be a straight destroyer. That dog is bred out of some of the tightest Boudreaux Scrub and boudreaux Red dogs alive today. georgious and angel tight bread spivey's hitman. Angel is a little fireball and georgous is not turned on.

Magyar has drive smartness Conformation and a persoality to go with it all. You can bet anything he is going to be in my breeding program.

As far as proving temselves. I dont need a conformation championship to do a breeding I dont even need the dogs to fight in the box to do a breeding. I just need two dogs that i pick to do a breeding and that is just how its going to be. And you can guarantee that if i pick two dogs to do a breeding its deffentelly going to be a worthy breeding, and they are going to turn out to be great dogs guarntee.



I do other sports to prove my dogs. Weightpull and soon agility.
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PostSubject: Re: worthy of breeding   Fri Dec 14, 2007 4:54 am

excuse my bad spelling my keyboard is a little screwed up and sometimes the keys stick
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PostSubject: Re: worthy of breeding   Fri Dec 14, 2007 5:19 am

Lets make sure we keep this civil. Wink

So according to this:

willypete wrote:
if you take the PIT out of the american PIT bull terrier then it is something else isnt it . so in order to breed an APBT were do you think your breeding qualities should come from. what you sedaliapitbulls just described was the amstaff .

i would never suggest that anyone fight there dogs thats just crazy in this day and time but call it what it is

Would you be saying that since the APBT is no longer fighting (legaly) and that is not the reason for breeding that these dogs are no longer pit bulls? In this thinking then... pit bulls will be extinct. Does anyone think that the "pit" portion can be "redirected" towards being driven in sport? Such as weight pulling or agility, fly ball...etc instead of fighting?
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PostSubject: Re: worthy of breeding   Fri Dec 14, 2007 10:41 am

no ididnt say you couldnt breed the dogs but lets be real DA has very little to do with being a PIT bull but the PIT has every thing to do with it the only thing i said was call it what it is . the problem is you consider it an insult to call your dogs amstaffs ( but why) and yes if you breed dogs for these reasons that were talked about that makes it a staff breeding is every thing but to call a dog what it is ...is not an insult and was never ment to be . if you think DA has anything to do with being a APBT then you really dont know what a APBT is... by the way i dont fight dogs .
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PostSubject: Re: worthy of breeding   Fri Dec 14, 2007 1:22 pm

being theses are working dogs i believe they need to have a job, this is just my personal opinion, be it ring sport, agility, hunting... and so on. i wouldnt want to do a breeding with a dog that has not proven his working ability in some form of sport. as i said these are just my opinions all others are welcome
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PostSubject: Re: worthy of breeding   Fri Dec 14, 2007 8:21 pm

I know pleanty of what a APBT is i think you need to learn a little more yourself. My dogs for one are not amstaff's we,ll set that straight right now. My breeding ethics are not amstaff's type. Any dog that i decide to breed has and will be worthy of breeding by proving itself one way or another weather itis in the conformation ring or weightpull agility. What ever sport they strive at.

I,m a close to closing this thread so this thread needs to get away from any kind of bashing and back to what you origionally wanted it to be about

Wheezie i,m starting to believe you started this thread so it can be just your little bash party and I will not allw it.
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PostSubject: Re: worthy of breeding   Fri Dec 14, 2007 9:28 pm

lol no it has nothing to do with being a bash party, I in no way intended for it to be. i have started this thread on 2 other foums, both of which had great replys. i am not the one that said anything negative about your dogs or your breeding practices... that is why i am some what perplexed by why you would think i am trying to bash anyone. structure goes hand in hand with function. A dog can have greta Drive but with poor structre will be retired at an early age. this is something im peronally going threw with my dog. Again.. im sitting heere wondering why you think i am trying to bash anyone, please explain it to me because now its just bothering me considering i have not said anything negative to anyone.
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PostSubject: Re: worthy of breeding   Fri Dec 14, 2007 9:43 pm

I think drive goes hand in hand with any activity you do with a dog. Whether it be agility, flyball, weightpull, whatever. If the dog has no drive then it will not perform. My JRT's has drive, to catch little critters under ground. Call it drive or motivation, same IMO. I have a few that their food drive (motivation) is so high, they will do anything I want them to, if they think there will be a treat involved. And yet others, that are so motivated for human companionship, they will do anything you want. And one that does whatever she wants whenever she wants, she has no external motivators that I can give her. Ohter than snatching another one of the dogs heads off when your back is turned. (don't worry, if she is out of her kennel playing, I don't turn my back) Maybe this was way off base, but I think there are many different ways for a dog to show drive.....
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PostSubject: Re: worthy of breeding   Fri Dec 14, 2007 10:09 pm

geek

Wheezie.. I believe sedaliaspitbulls post was geared toward WillyPete, regarding calling his dogs amstaffs, not you. I don't think you are bashing.

Good post pitmamma.
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PostSubject: Re: worthy of breeding   Fri Dec 14, 2007 11:31 pm

i take back some of the comments i said about you guys sorry. I was heated at the time and didn,t fully pay attention to everything that was said to the fullest. I now understand taht willypete wasn,t calling my dogs amstaff but were assuming my practices were amstaffy like. I would like to correct that my felling about that still has not changed i do not belive my breeding practices are in that form at all. Being that said to Weezie wayne I had no disrespect and was interpertating your messages rong. I,m sorry for the replyes they were quick and heated so They were not responded properly. Lets get onto the chat room tonight and talk about it
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PostSubject: Re: worthy of breeding   Fri Dec 21, 2007 2:19 pm

I believe that a dog should be titled in either conformation or any working event or demonstrate all the qualities of a superior specimen of the breed, not just any old average dog. There are plenty of those in newspapers and rescues.
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PostSubject: Re: worthy of breeding   Wed Dec 26, 2007 3:38 am

i agree with the above ^. think a dog should be titled, and the grandparents, as well. being in the animal medical field i also think they should be health tested, as well and cleared of any/all possible genetic flaws that could potentially be passed on to their off spring. sadly, too many people today meerly breed simply for the sake of breeding just cuz they like "pitbulls", and now nearly every shelter across the country is rampant with "pitbullS'. sux. people NEED to be MUCH more diligent about breeding and the potential placement of pups. breeders should have homes lined up for pups BEFORE they are even born. (sure do wish more did).
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PostSubject: Re: worthy of breeding   Wed Dec 26, 2007 4:43 pm

i just wanna comment on the whole "take the pit outta the apbt"....i agree if there is no method to test an apbts make up, eventually we will be breeding staffs. so how do you test a dog?, weight pulling?, agility?, im not sure what works the best as it is hard to compare results of these sports to wins and losses in the pit. i am 100% sure of one thing, we arent losing the dog we love , as i dont believe that the history and make up of the breed can be lost in a couple decades.
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