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PostSubject: Pregnant question   Thu Mar 06, 2008 3:46 pm

Origional posted question by thetonyage:
so as a few of you might know my Lucy is pregnant by my Bloo. Lucy was born october 06 and Bloo was may 07, so he was only 7 months when he knocked her up. it was an eventual plan of mine, once i got all the info. i could possible get, but it ended up happening way sooner. i know what im doing as far as the birthing process as i have been a part of it many times. shes is due in about a week and the vet said it would be completely fine but i would like some advice from yall with the real apbt experience. is the young ages of my dogs going to cause any problems? and i honestly only want experienced replies please, as i really do take my dogs health and wellbeing very seriously.thank you. here are pics right here


Tony, I am noo expert by any means (but have been thru this a few times lol) but she is about 1 1/2. She should not have any problems due to her age. As always there are other complications that can come along but her age is fine. You will hear people tell you that they both should have been at least 2 but ya know....stuff happens. And let me say wow, those are going to be some cute puppies.
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PostSubject: Re: Pregnant question   Thu Mar 06, 2008 4:34 pm

i know, i cant wait to see them. but yes that was my original plan; to wait till they were both 2 and then if Lucy's breeder couldnt help me out with a stud it was going to be Bloo, i just didnt realize dogs were potent at 7 mos. of age.
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PostSubject: Re: Pregnant question   Thu Mar 06, 2008 4:39 pm

Yep I never thought so either until my moms pup did it, lol..But the pups are now a yr old and healthy as can be...
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PostSubject: Re: Pregnant question   Thu Mar 06, 2008 4:41 pm

yep, ya live ya love ya learn
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PostSubject: Re: Pregnant question   Thu Mar 06, 2008 4:44 pm

Exactly.....and for some of us it takes a little longer to learn, lol...
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PostSubject: Re: Pregnant question   Thu Mar 06, 2008 5:13 pm

She will be fine as long as she is getting a good exercise but nothing extreme, just walks. What have you been feeding her? Also now is a good time to build her a whelping box for her to have her privacy and rest. Please do not allow any other dog around or people around when she gives birth. Also let her do it on her own, she will know what to do.
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PostSubject: Re: Pregnant question   Fri Mar 07, 2008 12:36 am

check her temperature! If it's around 96-98 than they might drop! When was the date that they breed?
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PostSubject: Re: Pregnant question   Fri Mar 07, 2008 6:26 pm

Here is a site for you to read regarding your female!

http://www.marvistavet.com/html/body_care_of_the_pregnant_dog.html


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PostSubject: Re: Pregnant question   Fri Mar 07, 2008 7:32 pm

sierra was prego when i got her very young under a year ( i know it wasnt me who let her breed though )

when i called the vet to ask him about her health because everyone freaked me out telling me she was gonna die she was too young etc. so i asked the vet if she was gonna be okay , the vet told me while she was certainly to young to have pups and she may not know exactly what to do the age really plays more of a part on how many eggs she releases . he said there is always the possibility that things can go wrong but that is at any age , he told me to feed her a good food and be there with her when she whelps just in case. i also brought her in for a well check up before she had the pups

sierra dint know what to do with the first pup i had to cut his cord , the others she did fine , i broke the next 4 sacs but she cleaned them and took very good care of them . she had 9 pups and all 9 pups survived and are healthy to this day 6 months later.
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PostSubject: Re: Pregnant question   Sat Mar 08, 2008 12:56 pm

Code of Ethics For Breeders of American Pit Bull Terriers/American Staffordshire Terriers

Section I: Introduction & Mission Statement

Introduction: This Code of Ethics is being presented by the Pit Bull Owners Alliance (PBOA). The material presented herein is to serve as a guide for breeders and reference tool for potential buyers seeking out breeders. The goal in presenting this Code of Ethics is not to promote Pit Bull breeding, but rather to discourage indiscriminate breeding, poor breeding practices, and support of unethical breeders. PBOA supports and encourages rescue above and beyond breeding or purchasing Pit Bulls.

Mission Statement: The ethical breeder of American Pit Bull Terriers and/or American Staffordshire Terriers ("Pit Bulls") shall always hold paramount the future of the breed. A desire for betterment and preservation of the Pit Bull breed should be the sole driving force behind a breeder's choice to produce puppies.

1) The breed's future: because of a) anti-Pit Bull legislation, b) irresponsible ownership, c) criminal animal abuse, and d) a surplus of dogs, the future of the Pit Bull is in jeopardy. Prior to planning a litter, a breeder should ask himself/herself if the litter will jeopardize the future of the breed by contributing in any way to a, b, c, and/or d above.

2) Betterment of the breed: the goal of the ethical Pit Bull breeder should always be, first and foremost, to better the breed through the production of puppies that are as good as or superior to the previous generation. Production of Pit Bulls that ideally represent the United Kennel Club (UKC), American Dog Breeders Association (ADBA), and/or American Kennel Club (AKC) Standard(s) should be considered the pinnacle of a Pit Bull breeding program.

3) Preservation of the breed: ethical breeders should work to preserve, through legal and humane means, the Pit Bull breed as it was, is and should be. Means to achieve this goal include: protecting the integrity of the breed through adherence to the Standards; careful culling (via sterilization, and/or humane euthanasia when necessary) of sub-standard stock; meticulous record-keeping, DNA profiling, microchipping, and pedigree research; studying to achieve a scholarly knowledge of breed history, temperament, health, structure, and genetics.

Section II: Actions of the Ethical Pit Bull Breeder

Note 1: For simplicity’s sake, "dog" will apply to both sexes. “Breeding stock” will apply to any dog or dogs that the Ethical Pit Bull breeder will breed, allow to be bred, or pay for the breeding services of.

Note 2: The pedigrees (previous generations) of all breeding stock should be considered as important as the breeding stock itself.

Note 3: Proper care, management and training are beyond the scope of this document. However an Ethical Pit Bull Breeder keeps their dogs well trained, in good health, in clean quarters, provides daily exercise and mental stimulation, and does not keep more dogs than can adequately be provided for.

The Ethical Pit Bull Breeder chooses breeding stock based on several criteria:

a) correctness of temperament (see #2 and Item 2)
b) health and vitality of the individual dogs (see #3, Item 3, and Note 3)
c) conformity to the applicable breed standard of the recognized Pit Bull registry (see # 5)
d) qualities the individual dogs may offer to future generations
e) qualities the pedigrees of the individual dogs may offer to future generations

The Ethical Pit Bull Breeder holds “A” and “B” above paramount above all other considerations when choosing breeding stock.

The Ethical Pit Bull Breeder:

1) has an extensive knowledge of Pit Bulls (their history, genetics, the Standards, care, training), as well as a strong understanding of breeding practices, canine health, and dog behavior/training

2) chooses breeding stock that is temperamentally sound and representative of the Standards. In addition, the Ethical Pit Bull Breeder does not breed any Pit Bull that is human-aggressive, fearful, exhibits behavior typically seen in breeds of the protection/guardian group, nor any Pit Bull that is not “temperament correct” (see item 3 below).

Item 2: The temperament correct Pit Bull: seeks out human interaction; is responsive, biddable and eager to please; may be genetically predisposed to aggression towards other dogs or animals; is appropriately submissive; is well balanced and optimistic; enjoys handling; presents good eye contact; is able to be calm in the presence of other dogs on leash or - if initially leash reactive - can learn how to tolerate their presence; is willing to connect with handler during high arousal; can be handled safely even in times of high arousal; accepts a reasonable amount of confinement; drops arousal levels quickly when removed from a stressful situation; is social with people of all types; is responsive and good natured; is never aggressive towards humans.


3) health tests all breeding stock prior to breeding, and certifies health of breeding stock prior to breeding where such certifications are available. Tests and certifications shall be conducted and processed prior to any dog being bred. Required health tests and certifications include: hips, elbows, thyroid, and heart (evaluated and certified by organizations such as Orthopedic Foundation for Animals [OFA] for hips, elbows, thyroid, and heart, or PennHip for hips). Dogs should test negative for Brucellosis and von Willebrand's Disease. Additional testing may be conducted for the following health abnormalties: Spinocerebellar/Hereditary Ataxia (specifically on American Staffordshire Terriers), and Progressive Retinal Atrophy (PRA) with subsequent registration with Canine Eye Registry Foundation (CERF) encouraged for dogs free of PRA. Results and certifications of any and all tests will be made readily available to potential buyers if tested and certified dogs will be bred. In addition, immediately prior to each breeding, all breeding stock should pass a basic veterinary health examination and be determined to be in good health.

Item 3: No dog with unsatisfactory health tests and/or certification results shall ever be bred. Unsatisfactory results would be (among others):

a) OFA hip ratings below fair
b) OFA elbow ratings that indicated elbow dysplasia
c) PennHip ratings that show abnormal joint laxity
d) thyroids that do not test normal; thyroids that test TgAA positive
e) hearts that are not found to be clear of murmurs or other abnormalities upon examination with a Doppler (ultrasound) exam by a Board Certified Cardiologist
f) positive tests for Spincerebellar/Hereditary Ataxia
g) positive tests for PRA
h) positive tests for any other hereditary/congenital/genetic disease

Note 3) No dog that has ever been diagnosed with a hereditary/congenital skin disease (including demodectic mange) shall ever be bred. A dog with chronic health problems (such as skin allergies) and/or weaknesses, and/or immune weakness shall never be bred. A dog that has torn anterior cruxiate cigaments (ACL) shall never be bred unless the torn ligaments were damaged because of conceivable stress and/or injury which indicate normal environmental causes and not hereditary/congenital/genetic weakness.

5) chooses breeding stock that conforms to the Standard(s) of the applicable recognized Pit Bull registry.

6) registers breeding stock and produced litters with a recognized Pit Bull registry.
Item 1: For the sake of this Code of Ethics, recognized Pit Bull registries will be considered the United Kennel Club and the American Dog Breeders Association (for American Pit Bull Terriers and American Staffordshire Terriers being registered as American Pit Bull Terriers), and the American Kennel Club (for American Staffordshire Terriers). These organizations are the oldest and hold breed standards that are most sought after and followed.

7) only breeds mature (over 2 years of age) dogs. Does not breed elderly bitches, nor does the Ethical Pit Bull breeder breed any one bitch more than once every 24 months.

Cool seeks validation of quality of breeding stock through competition in organized dog sports and subsequent achievement of titles and certifications such as:

a) UKC, ADBA, and AKC conformation, obedience, agility, and performance titles
b) certifications such as the AKC’s Canine Good Citizen (CGC), American Temperament
Test Society’s Temperament Tested (TT), Therapy Dogs International’s Therapy Dog International (TDI), and other similar, valid certifications.
c) events, titles, and certifications offered by other valid organizations.

9) breeds less than 3 litters every year. Should ideally breed no more than 1 litter a year.

10) breeds when there is a specific demand for the puppies, and owners for puppies have been predetermined before birth.

Section III: Puppies, Placement, and Care

Note 5: Section III also applies to adolescent dogs and/or adult dogs any breeder may have in their care and potentially place.

1) chooses homes based on ability to properly care for and handle a Pit Bull, and acts as match maker between puppy/dog and potential owner to ensure compatibility.

Item 4: The quality of the home any puppy or dog is placed into should be of great importance. The Ethical Pit Bull Breeder only considers a potential owner that:

a) has already done good breed research. Asks good questions. Shows willingness to learn more
b) is realistic about breed challenges (dog-aggression, high energy levels, strong and pushy, breed specific legislation, rental and home owners insurance issues, bad reputation of breed, etc.)
c) shows a stable, mature, open-minded personality
d) is happy to be interviewed and receive a home inspection
e) is physically capable of handling a strong dog
f) wants an indoor pet as a companion animal/family member
g) has had some dog experience and knowledge of basic training.
h) has a reasonably active lifestyle and is prepared to satisfy dog's daily exercise needs
i) owns a home or has a secure rental that will allow a Pit Bull (should provide proof in lease)
j) can provide safe containment: tall, secure fences if yard is present and working latches on gates.
k) lives in a household (includes roommates, children, seniors) that is involved in the decision to bring a Pit Bull into the family and is able to help manage a dog
l) has other pets in the home that are a good match and understands that Pit Bull must be separated from other pets when not supervised

12) socializes and conducts basic training with all puppies before sending them to their new homes.

13) microchips all puppies prior to sending them to their new homes.

14) does not place puppies under 8 weeks of age.

15) does not place puppies in areas where breed specific legislation that would endanger the puppy’s life or quality of life exists.

16) provides legally-binding, non-expiring contracts upon purchase that protect buyer as well as puppy. Contract certifies health (congenital, genetic, hereditary) and temperamental soundness of puppy. Assures puppy is disease-free prior to placement through records detailing proper veterinary and health care. Contract includes clause that requires new owner to relocate with the dog, or return the dog to the Ethical Pit Bull Breeder in the event that breed specific legislation that would endanger the puppy’s life or quality of life is enacted in the new owner’s city/state.

17) takes responsibility for any puppy produced, during any point in the lifetime of that puppy, should the original home become unable to care for the puppy or grown adult dog.

18) sends puppies home with papers from the recognized Pit Bull registry to allow the new owner to register the puppy in his/her name; unless the puppy is pet stock and is not spayed or neutered prior to going to new home, in which case, the Ethical Pit Bull Breeder will withhold papers until the new owner can provide proof of spay/neuter. It is strongly advised, however, that the Ethical Pit Bull Breeder spays/neuters all pet stock prior to placement in new homes.

Item 5: “Pet stock” is any puppy that is not or would not potentially be bred by an Ethical Pit Bull Breeder, and/or any puppy that will not potentially be shown in conformation events.

19) after sending puppy home, offers support indefinitely to new owner by way of breed counseling, training/behavior advice, health care information, referrals, etc.

20) recognizes that breeding is not a money making venture, a business, nor a means to bring in extra money. Stud fees and sale prices of puppies should reflect the costs of ethical breeding. The ethical breeder does not see a profit at the end of the year, but may actually see a loss.
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PostSubject: Re: Pregnant question   Sat Mar 08, 2008 3:15 pm

OMG!
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PostSubject: Re: Pregnant question   Sat Mar 08, 2008 3:52 pm

My thoughts exactly 215....
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PostSubject: Re: Pregnant question   Sat Mar 08, 2008 3:56 pm

Ok here is the original post...If anyone has any advise that pertains to the question posed in this post then please reply....
thetonyage wrote:
so as a few of you might know my Lucy is pregnant by my Bloo. Lucy was born october 06 and Bloo was may 07, so he was only 7 months when he knocked her up. it was an eventual plan of mine, once i got all the info. i could possible get, but it ended up happening way sooner. I know what im doing as far as the birthing process as i have been a part of it many times. shes is due in about a week and the the vet said it would be completely fine but i would like some advice from yall with real apbt experience. is the young ages of my dogs going to cause any problems? and i honestly only want experienced replies please, as i really do take my dogs health and wellbeing very seriously.thank you. here are pics right here
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PostSubject: Re: Pregnant question   Sat Mar 08, 2008 9:15 pm

to answer the OP's question, despite and in lieu of the "obvious" situation/accident, here is something for you to read:
http://www.wikihow.com/Help-Your-Dog-Whelp-or-Deliver-Puppies
and here:
http://www.marvistavet.com/html/giving_birth_to_puppies.html
easier to post some links, as the potential for problems and all they entail is simplified in these.
lemme know if you've specific ones (questions) and if i'm at work, i can ask one of the docs directly. (i typically am at the clinic from tues-sat's, 12-8, n/p.
hope she has an easy, problem-free labor.
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PostSubject: Re: Pregnant question   Sat Mar 08, 2008 10:33 pm

Thank You Suki...we can always count on you to give us the info we seek. You are an absolute asset to this site. Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Pregnant question   Sat Mar 08, 2008 11:44 pm

pitmamma wrote:
Thank You Suki...we can always count on you to give us the info we seek. You are an absolute asset to this site. Very Happy

I love you
why thank you!


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PostSubject: Re: Pregnant question   Sun Mar 09, 2008 1:10 am

That was the point I was trying to make...I am just not as good at the verbage...
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PostSubject: Re: Pregnant question   Sun Mar 09, 2008 5:55 am

.... To anyone who snubs their nose at the breeders code of ethics,,,,,,,,,,well that just goes to show what's important to you. Sadly it's not the welfare of breed either!


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PostSubject: Re: Pregnant question   Sun Mar 09, 2008 12:25 pm

suki wrote:
pitmamma wrote:
Thank You Suki...we can always count on you to give us the info we seek. You are an absolute asset to this site. Very Happy

I love you
why thank you!
(seemed sorta pointless to beat the perverbal dead horse; what's done is done....)

Yes, what's done is done. But maybe this OP can print out the Breeder Code of Ethics and paste it on their refrigerator. To disregard the Breeder code of ethics is not only irresponsible, but adding to the problem this breed has today. You and I both know that Suki Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Pregnant question   Sun Mar 09, 2008 11:24 pm

ok well im back after a few days and first things first; Lucy did give birth on thursday night, to 8 beautiful, healthy pups without any problems at all. im taking her to the vet for a post whelping checkup. i will post some pictures soon.

..i know that it should not have happened, but it did. i said breeding my dogs would be an eventual plan, but i did not mean the 2 of them together. that would be a bit asinine to say the least. they didnt even tie, every time bloo tried to mount her he was stopped. like i said, i didnt even think a 7 month old boy could get her pregnant, but he did, and i dealt with it to the best of my ability which seemed to turn out as well as possible.

... just because i made a mistake i dont want anybody thinking that i am an idiot or that is how i am going to deal with placing my pups. ive read and re-read the breeder code of ethics many times, i am not uneducated as far as taking care of my dogs go. i came here to gain knowledge on conformation and weightpull events originally, and i figured i would ask for experienced opinions about the pregnancy.

so now with that all said lucy has had her pups and had no problems and everything is going very well. so this topic should be done with. thank you to everyone for your input and advice, and boogieman thank you as well. i know you are just concerned about the present and future status of our breed, but so am i and i intend to be very responsible and professional with this litter.


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PostSubject: Re: Pregnant question   Mon Mar 10, 2008 1:03 am

Michele wrote:


Yes, what's done is done. But maybe this OP can print out the Breeder Code of Ethics and paste it on their refrigerator. To disregard the Breeder code of ethics is not only irresponsible, but adding to the problem this breed has today. You and I both know that Suki Smile

indeed, i do. and posting that ethics in a visible idea is a very good idea, but the original question was what i answered. to point out the fact that the dog shouldn't have been bred, etc, etc,etc, was not addressing that question. even the OP knew/knows that. that is the "perverbal horse" i was referring to. the dog was due so soon. so i dealt with the facts given, and answered the question on the possible difficulties. yes, the ORIGINAL question.,


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PostSubject: Re: Pregnant question   Mon Mar 10, 2008 4:47 pm

Ok i have unlocked this post so that i can add to it ..

I see a person that admited a mistake and has come to this board for help..

It is in this breeds and every breeds best interest to CALMLY EDUCATE people. To type a responce that can be taken as an attack will be counter productive to the cause.

People do not respond well to harsh words and harsh treatment.

With working with dogs and with people over the years i have learned that a heavy hand does not produce the same results as a steady hand.

Please keep this in mind when dealing with issues of this nature..


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PostSubject: Re: Pregnant question   Mon Mar 10, 2008 4:49 pm

I am locking this post again untill all the mods can decided what to do with it
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PostSubject: Re: Pregnant question   Tue Mar 11, 2008 6:50 am

I have removed the un-needed comments and will leave this open in case the OP has any questions regarding whelping the puppies etc.

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